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No doubt but he just found out today and he is rather raw and I know he doesn't have a hard copy yet.
March 31
Thank you, Dr. Krongrad When my friend calms down a bit I will see what the pathology report actually says
March 31
Are you speaking as a mathematician or a pathologist :) ? You may well be right. I will wait for a couple of additional comments before I call my buddy so I don't make an ass out myself, which I have been known to do at times. I will invite him to…
March 31
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March 31
Decimal Gleasons? Here is something weird, or at least new to me. A dear friend called me two hours ago to tell me that he gotten the bad news and had joined "the club" As a one-year member of our "Prostate Club of America" (PCA) I of course wanted…
March 31
Mike As always you state your case with knowledge and wisdom. And I am glad to hear I am not "weird" (an outlier). Thank you for your fine response. I think what I was probably trying to say is that there is a temptation at age 70 to hear the siren…
March 25
And then there is the Outlier With all respect to Mike's learned observations, one should also remember that studies and statistics are for populations but cancer happens to individuals. I consider myself an outlier. If I would have heeded conventi…
March 25

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Have you been diagnosed with prostate cancer?
Yes
What brings you to the New Prostate Cancer InfoLink social network?
My new friend Lenny in Israel
Would you help us grow the network? Would you tell others about it?
Sure
About Me:
Age 71, born in Amsterdam, Holland, Holocaust survivor (Bergen Belsen). Came to US in 1947. Former Naval Officer and business owner. Live in Rochester, NY with my wife, a psychiatrist and owner of a clinical research
(drug studies) practice. Retired but work full time helping my wife run her business. Four grown children from previous marraiges. We live on the shore of Lake Ontario and cruise in our trawler if and when we find the time.

April 1, 2009

Nearly a year to the day of my RRP (Post-op pathology Gleason 9=4+5, small tumor, localized, encapusulated). It has been quite a trip as it has for most of the PCa patients on this site and their "traveling companions"

Last night Sarah (Sarah Atkinson, MD) and I went back to the small Italian restaurant we visited just before surgery and where I had impulsively proposed to her over pizza. We had gone there because pizza is my antidepressent of choice and I needed that badly at that time.

Surgery was uneventful other than the most unwelcome upgrade to the Gleason. That was, however largely offset by the the small size of the tumor mass and the fact that it had stayed put. I will forever be grateful to my wife who dismissed any "take your time" arguments and had me on my way to the OR just as fast as scheduling allowed; even faster because she called in all the favors she could.

Sarah now draws blood at the end of each quarter and gets both standard and ultrasensitive assays at the same time. My surgeon only sends a lab request for standard post-op PSA on the theory that you wouldn't do anything about it any way until it rises to about 0.2. Sarah, on the other hand, likes that early warning system of the ultra sensitive test even if you might not treat at those levels. My tests have been consistently
undetectible but, interestingly, the local lab has now started reporting the standard test to two decimal places and it was a "0.03" but the ultrasensitive test from the same blood draw but shipped by them to another lab was "<0.01" Sarah called the labs and had the usual "noise" and "tolerance" discussion with basically everyone agreeing to ignoring that difference.

Incontinence improved from post-op "soaking" to 95% "dry" within about half a year but it never made it to 100%. I wear one pad all day against the occasional small squirt and have just accepted that as the price for becoming an old fart who had PCa.. Annoying but no big deal. I gave up on Kegels quickly simply out of a lack of personal discipline. I have always hated sports and anything remotely connected to that, and to me this was just another variation of "exercise" Not a good thing, I know.

ED was (is) a much more difficult struggle because now we're talking about sex and that I do care about. I had some ED issues pre-op which were taken care of with the magic blue pill but post-op has been a depressing problem. I first played around with a VED, thought it was helping but came to the conclusion that it was not a solution for me. After several month's
during which the "fear" of injections was gradually overwhelmed by the voice of "desire" I finally clenched my teeth and got a scrip for Trimix. Not perfect, not very "romantic," certainly not spontaneous but the stuff works and that's what counts when it counts.

Sarah and I are delighted that (with my "9") we have passed the one-year mark with no sign of recurrence. The next major milepost, she says is 18 months.

I am appreciative of many things, not the the least is this site that answered so many questions, especially in those awful early months.

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At 2:55pm on October 16, 2008, Mike Brauer said…
Thanks Steve - They're supposed to be checking on getting me in earlier. Thanks for the support!
At 8:05am on July 26, 2008, Kay Davidson said…
Right now we're all experiencing the happiness of that first low PSA test! (Ron's was July 10) It appears, though, that until Ron's off the ADT for a minimum of 6 months, we won't know the real story of his PSA - that'll be Dec. 2009, if all goes according to plan.

I've learned way too much in the last 9 months, and it's still not nearly enough.

Continued good health, Steve!
At 2:50pm on July 24, 2008, Steven Hess said…
Kay
How very kind of you to share your experience. The feeling of being overwhelmed is typical. I think we all went through it. When I got the bad news sitting in the urologist's office I couldn't process a thing, I could hardly listen. Fortunately, my wife is an MD and she was doing all the heavy lifting for me. It took a long time before I was thinking on my own again. In the interim she was feeding me information in bits and pieces as I could digest it; often having to repeat things several times. I mention it only to say you are definately not alone in this.

This site and several others are great resources of knowledge, advice and support. Good to have you with us although all of us would greatly prefer never having had reason to log on here.

Steve
At 2:33pm on July 24, 2008, Kay Davidson said…
In retrospect, Steve, we were both extremely overwhelmed and felt pressure to start treatment ASAP. Most of the numbers and statistics were not encouraging, the one exception being that Ron had a T1C tumor. Cancer was found in 5 of the 12 biopsy samples; he was a Gleason 8 (4+4), the PSA velocity indicated aggressive, high-risk disease. The statistics found in the Partin Tables [Gleason 8-10, PSA 8.6 =34% chance of extraprostatic extension] weren't too encouraging and indicated that surgery wasn't a good option. The treatment recommendation was 2-3 years of ADT coupled with radiation. We were given a copy of the Walsh book, Surviving Prostate Cancer.

The first appointment after the biopsy was one of information overload. so much so that we scheduled a follow-up appointment two weeks later. The information in the Walsh book certainly didn't address questions we had. Hormone deprivation therapy wasn't discussed in much detail.

In all probability, the recommended treatment plan was probably the best, but it's been a bumpy road. We certainly were not well-informed by the urologist concerning all the long-term side effects of ADT - in fact, he actually downplayed the osteoporosis risk. We've learned a lot more since then and have become very proactive in addressing the long-term issues.

I wish we'd been able to find a resource such as this at the time, though.

So far, so good. We anxiously await the end of the ADT!
At 10:02am on July 18, 2008, Angela Jenkins said…
Steve - great report! Immediate action, in your case, appears to have been the wisest course of action. Keep us informed of your ongoing PSA results. Enjoy every day!
At 9:29pm on July 13, 2008, Steven Hess said…
I read the article and did a bit more "Googling" and it seems that while Agent Orange was very nasty and can be blamed for all sorts of bad stuff including various cancers, the connection to prostate cancer is unproven and tenuous at best.
Thanks for the reference.
Steve
At 3:07pm on July 13, 2008, Charles (Chuck) Maack said…
Hi again, Steve.

I've read your opinion in the past and honor your right to express it. However, there are multitudes of men who were exposed to Agent Orange as it spread through the atmosphere as well as settled in the water from which ships off-shore collected that water for processing as drinking water (this possibility, however, has not been recognized by the powers that be). I personally know of men who were present as planes flew in and dispersed this agent or who were involved in the processing and loading of this agent for such dispersal. Many on the river boats were operating under the dispersal as it was dropped. It is near impossible to determine who may or may not have been exposed because of the wide dispersal of this agent in the atmosphere, thus the blanket recognition that those who served in the presence of this agent may very well have had their systems invaded that has resulted in not just prostate cancer but several other deadly diseases or health issues. Subsequent testing of Agent Orange concluded that this product has the propensity to cause these many diseases and ailments. Though you consider the area in which you were present as free of such contamination, you cannot attest with positive assurance that this was the case. You, too, may have been - likely had been - as much exposed as many others if Agent Orange was being dispersed during your presence in Vietnam. MY opinion, of course.
At 1:02pm on July 13, 2008, Charles (Chuck) Maack said…
Well, Steve, if enough of us crop up on these lists as former Navy, do you think we can blame the Navy for our PC and gain any positive results? (Unlikely - though those who set foot on ground in Vietnam during that era and their DD214 substantiates that, ARE eligible for full, all expenses paid, care. Yet, in some areas even that has complications because they require the patient to be treated only at a VA facility - and way too many VA facilities have few, if any, artists/experts in treating prostate cancer).
At 2:23pm on July 11, 2008, Martin Blackwell said…
Thanks so much. Your story really helps me prepare for what is to come. My biopsy is scheduled for August 1st, and i am going to go through with it. Again, thanks.
At 1:27am on June 30, 2008, PaulC said…
Steve,
Congratulations on the low PSA score and HAMA results!
Congratulations also on the diet and exercise regime, with the excellent physical effects!
On the ED / Incont group, I posted a practical but homely way of getting control of incontinence that may get you dry within three days of good practice. For ED, you might try taking a PDE5 inhibitor on an empty stomach along with 5mg of trazodone as a potentiator.
 
 

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